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Ted Haggard bemoans his "exile" in a new HBO documentary. MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical in January, following a tumultuous few months defending Harvest in a defamation lawsuit against its critics and in the aftermath of a World magazine investigation into mismanagement at the church. Amy. you managed (a wording that says, you knew it was not right, but did so out of self protection) and humility because as Mancow is now saying, James had alligator tears of his hurt to make you feel guilty. The World article on the topic says that after Secrest was fired, "he was stunned, because his contract stipulated that he could be fired only for . Your time at Harvest made a huge impact to my small group and strengthened my faith in Christ . WHY NOW??? This is the mercy and grace of God. Thank you for having the courage to write what you did and for your ministry Lina. I dont know you personally but appreciate all you continue to teach me and countless others. The 60-year-old pastor called on his former church to confess its wrongs and correct the record. out of fear you complied While I am heartened that the elders finally removed MacDonald, he should have been fired five years ago. So now, I tell the truth about what happened, and it isnt only a Pastor James problem. Jesus called out hypocrisy in the religious leaders. I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? Everything is being talked about at great lengths regarding Harvest except for Who the body of Christ should be praying to, talking about and quoting. All that leads to ia where we are, I led worship in a church for 5 years. Im disappointed in your timing. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. You too felt you had to leave Harvest and what was your point of conviction on having to leave the Church ,that we all sacrificed so much for! Im thankful you and so many others I know have left with dignity and after a bit of healing have jumped back into churches where they are serving the Lord with all their hearts using the gifts God has given them so faithfully. God bless you. Churches Still Depend on Clergy Housing Allowance, No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival. Thank you for your courage. I, too, have friends who have never once asked how I am or why I left. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. Nothing will change at Harvest if the cancer of fear is not exposed . Both can be messy, but in the latter case, responsibility for that mess must be laid squarely at the feet of the abusive Elders who are sinning, not at the feet of Christs little ones, the oppressed members of Christs flock, who are being caused to stumble, nor at the feet of those attempting to triage the wounded and sound a warning to others who are in danger of being It is so sad when the devil works to cause problems in a church. And the truth of many at Harvest. We have seen this very truth of Jesus teaching publicly demonstrated by Mancow and many other witnesses. And it wasnt just some random bloggers saying these things, either. I wondered where God was in the narrative. Thank you. #justsaying #carryon, Youd have to read the blog. Often no explanation given, and the band plays on. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. How are you so sure she didnt pray about this? You also restrained and could have said much more and didnt. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. What are you authorized to do? I am now going to read the rest of your post. The fruit by which JM is to be judged rather is that of his own true m.o. Her first year at college and her first visit to Harvest RM. I am sure that was very hard for her to share . Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Thank you Lina for your honesty and boldness and ultimately helping me put words to what I have been experiencing through the preaching of James. What is strange about your concern about your own fear is I have been of thee opinion that Pastor James must have been ruled by his own fear-fear of losing influence and the fear of losing his ministry. Lina is right on. Once a preacher condemns other, that is the sign that he is trying to avert attention from what he is doing. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. This is why NOW. As a nation, something painful will bring us back. Im glad I have stood firm. Churches should switch to a different model that is biblically aligned. You followed what God would have instructed you to handle this situation.you started by going to the leaders of the church for answers and none were given. James wrath is powerful. Looking sideways (practical love): Hes a lemonade maker. This scandal that were going through has really rocked my world. I love this idea! DIRECTIONS & INFO | . The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. Dont stand in the middle, dont seek to mediate. How you hit the nail on the head! He clearly told me that they send out reminders to give. When someone lies with such ease , that is pathological, and they must be removed from their positions!! This Is a Revival Season Sean Feucht Announces 7 Days of Prayer on Capitol Hill, The Chosen, Candace Cameron Bure, Dolly Parton Win at This Years Movieguide Awards, Christian High School Girls Basketball Team Forfeits Tourney Spot Due to Trans Opponent, Tickets for SatanCon 2023, The Largest Satanic Gathering in History, Sell Out. I just knew I wasnt supposed to be there anymore. Others lied to me directly for selfish gain. I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. I have a love-hate relationship with Thanksgiving Day. Lauren Boebert And Marjorie Greene's Adult "So Your Problem with Christianity is the Jesus No, the "Second Shift" Isn't Feminism's Fault. Fear is what has been under all this, I would not be surprised if there is some fear in Jamess heart that is the root cause of his sins here. Its hard to step out alone but God always protects and brings darkness into the light to be seen. Dont damage the church by being publicly critical. | Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel Facebook The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability has suspended Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Church following the firing of its longtime pastor James MacDonald and amid ongoing revelations that the ministry had misappropriated funds. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. I was wrong in hindsight. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? Opt out of mega church? All I have to say Lina is thank you! You can read that article here. And in 1 Corinthians 5, we are told to judge those within the Church). Pastor James teaching seemed so Biblical. Those who would shame someone for standing on the side of truth and grace have missed the mark. Thank you for this post. Thank goodness God is still God! In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald for "engaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best . On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. I really think you hit the nail on the head when you said you realized something dark about yourself, that you had been a woman ruled by fearand I could identify with what you said since I had been that woman too. This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. As of November, 2021, HBC is $34,000,000 in debt. He unsubscribed from the emails but they were still sent him texts asking him to give. I have been looking for a church like this for years. Pastor James made it political when he compared the era of President Trump to the era of Stalin the era of Hitler. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. I was asked what I would do if I were still on staff through the last 2 years. I will pray for healing in the hearts and lives of those affected by this tragedy. Not one. God has said that those who are give much is required. In announcing MacDonalds termination, Harvest elders stated they are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful. Sometimes they will require being nice. I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. Sign up for our newsletter: We attended Elgin from 2005 through 2008. I have always wondered why? If so Id be in agreement but again- this is not a political post. Fear is dead life a remnant of Satan. But if they submit to the Healer, they will come out stronger. Many many of us are praying for all of you in Naples. For years, I kept believing the deception fed to the congregation by the elders. Did you know that Satan and his minions come to Harvest? And even then, it often doesnt work because so many remain enthralled with the narcissist, or have tied their fortunes to them, that they simply cant or wont see the truth. Lina, this took courage and Im glad you said it. Thanks for speaking up! Go to the all church meetings? Doing ministry you love. Thank you Lina, Im not sure what is going on with me honestly. As were you, we were grieving and had to pray for help finding that new church. James ended up sending me a copy of the new approved blog post, and out of fear, I complied. Truth heals. May the God of all comfort minister his comfort to them. Anil. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. It is important to bring light to this matter, help yourself and others heal and put a new song of praise and trust in Our God. The confidence I hang on to today is that whether I am approved or critiqued for this opinion, it is Christs love that will catch me and his arms that will continue to sustain me when I close my eyes at the end of each new day. Do elder boards mean anything, or are they just there to look pretty? Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. I continue to pray for the people this has affected, the elders and pastors, and that the darkness will be continually exposed to the light. Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. I then called an elder who was a friend and someone I trusted. Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. Throughout the week, there are opportunities for you to grow in your walk with Christ, to serve, and to connect with other people in the Rolling Meadows area. With so much gaslighting going on and public take-downs of those who would speak truth to power, and your investment in the church industrial complex, I can imagine how difficult it wouldve been to speak out publicly at the time of your leaving. Were they afraid? In the past we were to study pulpit curriculum and bible vocabulary. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Lean should read it and reply in kind. All this comes on the heels of another scandal. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Someday, Fred, when you grow a spine, you need to come to me and beg my forgiveness for the unbiblical excommunication you were a part of in my situation. The only thing I liked about that church was the worship, which was glorifying to the Lord. Thank you. Matthew 7:15: Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Do you see any fruit from him of what God speaks of? The word of God and the flock were only mentioned at the end of the long list. I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. When we try to protect those in power instead of those who are hurting, we are not doing the work of God. It is a biblical teaching that unrepentant public sin in a public representative of God ((ie, pastors and elders) must be publicly rebuked for the sake of the church as a whole. Gordon Zwirkoski, a former Harvest elder and the original director of HBF, told Roys that James MacDonald essentially wields ultimate authority at the church and cultivates a spirit of fear in the staff. Former Harvest employee Dave Jones says his church has welcomed dozens of Harvest refugees who show signs of spiritual abuse and are disillusioned.. In a recorded video message, Bill Sperling, an elder, told the congregation that the elders concluded that there is a sinful pattern of inappropriate language, anger and domineering behavior. Look, Im sorry, but thats a bit late. Oh Kristy, Thank you so much for expressing exactly what I am feelingsuch sorrow, such heartbreaking sorrow. Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! Do systems of accountability exist in practice, or only on paper? Im also going to sign up for LWP. Do you remember how Jesus acted towards the money changers and false shepherds? And the lies werent just shared by James. I kept seeing little hints of questionable goings-on at Harvest Bible Church, a large megachurch in suburban Chicago, but didnt really pay attention until last week, when the issue blew up in the most bizarre way. Lina, I know that you did not take writing this lightly, and that it was preceded by much prayer and asking for the Holy Spirits wisdom and guidance in order to strike a balance of truth and grace. He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). What blessings are flowing at Harvest for those who stand firm! and pro football. These three men had then joined six other former eldersthese men had all left Harvest entirelyin writing and sending a letter to the current elder board raising concerns about MacDonalds leadership. No shame here for Lina. He better thank God for Grace and cause he is going to need it. But the truth needs to be out there. God bless you. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. No One Knows. Really? The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. God is faithful, and He is doing what needs to be done to protect His bride. It was engaging at times. Others have asked, but immediately defend the senior pastor and church. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! I no longer help lead a larger mens ministry. Yet Jesus minces no words when He tells us we ARE to judge teachers by their *fruits* and expose evildoers (and leads by examplesee His very public chastisement of the hypocritical Scribes and Pharisees in the Gospels). After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. I lost the bulk of my community virtually overnight. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. hi liz, not really looking for a vote here. 2023 ChurchLeaders.com, All rights reserved. While regret cant look back, we now live in a different era than we did four years ago. Or is he in effect the church, with an elder board that exists only for show and to rubber stamp his decisions? (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) A year or so before leaving Harvest I had written a blog post about holiness in which I had referenced the growing fad of tattoos in our culture. As painful as it is, all that has been hidden must be revealed. I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. In the wake of his departure, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability acknowledged serious concerns around spending and financial stewardship under MacDonald that resulted in the church losing its membership status. May God bless you for speaking truth and standing in the gap for those of us who dont have the circle of influence that you have. The church is to be a living organism for the cause of Christ and no other. We are the Church! The Pastor started teaching on obeying your authority and not questioning authority etc. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. Welcome to the Video Broadcast ministry of Cornerstone Bible Church. She did a awesome job as the judgment of God has come to his house. Also Thank you Lina for having the courage to say something now. I want to thank you for having the courage to add your testimony to the voices of those who have been abused by HBC. Ross, Ross, chose to suffer. Not cool to kick people when they are down. She has a right to expose. I dont appreciate you getting political this has nothing to do with it.. Are you referring to the Democratic Party? Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. Yet a week ago I posted on FB an invitation to open my house to anyone who needed to talk about their pain as it related to what was happening at Harvest. Pray for all the lost and unsaved who are not hearing the Gospel and our testimonies right now from our lips because sin has been made the main thing. It may not be warm and fuzzy but speaking truth, especially when compelled by the Spirit, is never wrong. Since I know I am capable of the worst sin, I am choosing to show grace and praying fervently. Jesus taught eternal love. , The elders of Harvest stand behind [Pastor MacDonalds] character and integrity without reservation. I love you and our Lird. Still. Thank you for your response. http://www.issendai.com/psychology/sick-systems.html. No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. Wake up this tragedy has been in the works a long time. It was an extremely long and difficult decision to finally leave (we did our best to leave peacefully with the good of Christs church in mind) knowing very well that our reputations and many of our friendships we had there would be severely if not permanently damaged. I too visited Harvest. She loves the Word and words, is a binge reader and grammar nut, and is fanatic (as her family can attest) about Jeopardy! This man is a smooth deceiver and believes his own lies. The more I think about the demise of Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, the more I believe that fear is the cancer at the root of it all specifically the fear of James MacDonald. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! Sitting in the pews, I could not see how deep the cancer was at HBC. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? Thank you for speaking out, Lina! I pray for the leaders. Several years went by and one family apologized to us as did another man. for less than $4.25/month. School of the Bible at 9:00am Wednesdaysat 7:00pm Give Online Contact Us 10088 N. Highway 99 Stockton, CA 95212 office@hbcstockton.org (209) 931-9548 Copyright 2023, Harvest Bible Church. Truth is truth. Thank you for taking the time to nurture the HBC flock that Pastor James never cared about! He invitedme to go when we first started dating. I still would like to read the blog on tattoos. I am aware that there has been some very good ministry done through this church. That timeline accelerated, when on Tuesday morning highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald were given to media and reported, they wrote. Superior to whom? Too many of these large churches have lost track of what their true purpose is. Thank You for writing your blog. So Ill never forget the day I got up from my seat in a service, walked out, and never looked back. Others, too, could see the attitude. God IS in control and knows what he is doing. Prayer works as we understand to be HIS humble servants. I love who you are and what you do. Although I do not want to be a part of this church any more, I strongly feel that God is directing me to continue to obey his direction in this scripture and take their disobedience to another level. The Right's New Lie: The Left Gave Us Toxic Masculinity, The Harvest Bible Chapel Scandal in a Nutshell (And Why You Should Care). My precious, from a far, friend who I have watched since your first speaking engagement at Harvest. Its like I seek mans favor as well, rather than the Lords. Many might wonder why it all still matters to me so much. Right. There are no ongoing issues of any kind. FEAR is a liar, pray for them and never let offense take you out, that was the enemys plan! God help those who cant see their need to be set free or judge those whove found it in Christ Jesus. Then came Roys story, MacDonalds decision to sue Roys and the bloggers behind The Elephants Debt (presumably rubber stamped by the current elder board), and the realization that discovery would mean everything coming out. After that, I felt like my time was wasted. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. Your willingness to sit down over a cup of coffee in your home with women of God and get real about our hurts, our fears, our dreams, or whatever is going on in our lives. When a person is afraid of the reaction of their pastor or preacher it is time to move on. Five years ago, Harvest Bible Chapel, a Chicago-area megachurch with multiple campuses and an average weekly attendance exceeding 12,000, sent shock waves through the Christian community when it publicly excommunicated two former elders and indirectly censured a third. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. Lina isnt hanging Harvest Bible Chapel. And for those that have not witnessed spiritual abuse, or worse yet experienced it personally, but are now hearing about it, this is your opportunity to ramp up your prayers for the Bride of Christ. I have been attending Harvest and listening and learning from Pastor James sermons for almost 10 years; I have witnessed the sweet joy of my husband coming to Christ because of God using Pastor James mightily; and I have been blessed beyond measure by the positive impact Harvest, its ministries, and especially its PEOPLE have had upon my relationship with God, my Harvest friends and family, my life, and my marriage. Reflect about yourself and what steps you need to take to be healed and then to help others heal. I stay with confidence that God will not be mocked, he knows the perfect balance of justice and mercy, he will redeem this pain and we will witness HIS power in HIS church. I miss that about you. Others have gone before you in challenging HBC to help pave the way and have paid the consequences for their courage. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. The resources are pulpit curriculum and bible words to talk about. 1 Timothy 5:20: But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. I also was silent about why my family left (also the week following the video). Amen sister!! Lina, to see how the Lord has blessed your ministry these past few years is absolutely amazing! She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. I chose to believe the Bible and Gods promises. It is loving to tell the truth. (It wouldve done no good to tell them how they erred when previous months didnt get it done.) And come together in prayer, fasting and humility before Jesus that He enables us to be the people He died for. Will this tattoo be their mark of shame? During his sabbatical, MacDonald had planned to preach at the. On January 8th, after learning that anything obtained through subpoenas related to the lawsuit could be made public, however, Harvest Bible Chapel dropped the lawsuit. It helps to be able to talk about it instead of feeling like you have to hide it, or just deal with it. Only time will tell whether Harvest can outlive its founding pastorand the scandal that has enveloped both him and his elder board. There are dozens if not hundreds of witnesses against many Elders at Harvest all saying the same thing. Roys also lamented the fallout of todays news. I have multiple thoughts. Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. Pastor James this and Pastor James that. I have great empathy and sensitivity toward them. This past Sunday, Harvests elders and remaining pastors were in serious damage control mode. Hi Sally, Harvest Bible Chapel's Elgin campus H arvest Bible Chapel has reached a multimillion-dollar agreement to transfer some of its assets to former pastor James MacDonald, who plans to continue in. What happens next? Its hard. Division and to take a part a ministry that was reaching and teaching people all over the world. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. 4. Our focus should be on Christ and Christ alone, not James MacDonald. 2. We can be humans and love. There is no timing to sharing pain. Thank you for sharing your story, Lina. Please anchor in on John 7:24. Blessings to you! Put faith in Gods justice and judgement upon all, now that sin has been exposed. In his remarks this week, he says he confessed his relational failings multiple times, but still lost longtime friends and ministry partners to Harvests narrative. But often they require speaking up when injustice is done. Yes, God has this in hand, but that doesnt mean He wont ask His children to do the hard work of calling out sin in unrepentant believers. I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. 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